HIGHLIGHTS: Hiring an Assistant Superintendent (6:45), Ohlhaut Appointed as CFO (6:52), Bid Request for new Legal Counsel (6:56), Teacher and Staff Turnover (6:59) Access to Public Documents (7:09), Vote to Approve Mask Optional Policy (7:22), Feedback on the Jr/Sr HS Schedule (8:01)
Voted 7 out of 7
6:32 – Eric Ulrich, Associate Principal at the Jr/Sr HS, recognized students with the “Way to Go Award” for being great citizens. Two students from each school (WLES, WLIS, Jr/Sr HS) came to the front, were recognized, and were each given a certificate. It is great to celebrate outstanding students at school board meetings.
6:40 – Greiner shared a photo of national merit finalists from the high school and congratulated them. Our students work incredibly hard and I am grateful when they are recognized for their achievements.
6:42 – Communication from the audience on current agenda items (those who had signed up before the meeting began)
- Angie Janes thanked the board for their decision to initiate a request for proposals for legal services. She said that new legal counsel could help improve relationships between the school board and community members. The school board’s current legal counsel, Reiling, has routinely recommended the school board deny community access to public records and escalated these requests with the Indiana Public Access Counselor multiple times in the last few months. Each time, Reiling’s firm lost those legal arguments and yet received a check from the school board for each unsuccessful attempt to restrict public access to public records. This is an opportunity to make a change and free up funds to fulfill public requests rather than overpaying someone to fight them. Janes asked what measures would be taken to ensure an impartial and objective search for legal services. Reiling as well as Reiling’s firm were contributors to the RDP PAC that funded several board members’ campaigns. Janes recommended that if Reiling’s firm submits a proposal that those board members whose campaigns were funded by this PAC should recuse themselves from evaluating proposals. She noted that 87% of the $26,000 raised by the RDP PAC in 2020 was provided by corporations or individuals with a financial relationship with the school corporation. It was the companies, architects, attorneys, and other contractors who were receiving payments from the school corporation who funded the political campaigns of school board members. She asked board members to recuse themselves from votes that would financially benefit any individual or company that contributed to their campaign. She concluded by saying that she is encouraged by the move towards openness that she has seen since Dr. Greiner became superintendent. Current school board members Tom Schott, Brad Marley, and Amy Austin’s campaigns were funded by the RDP PAC as was the campaign of former school board member and current president of the West Lafayette Schools Education Foundation, Doug Masson. The former school board president, Alan Karpick, and vice president, Karen Springer, were contributors to the PAC. The PAC’s 2020 financial filings are posted here: mid-election and final. It is also important to note that teachers union leaders were heavily involved with this PAC. Most of the money our local teachers pay in union dues go to the national (NEA) and state (ISTA) organizations and local teachers have no say in those organizations’ political decisions, though union leaders do. The state organization contributed $5,000 to the RDP PAC in 2016 and again contributed $5,000 in 2020. My view is that school administrators working together with teachers union leaders, with funding from school contractors, to influence the school board election is textbook regulatory capture and as a community we should reject this behavior.
6:45 – Greiner asked for approval to hire an assistant superintendent. He shared the current organization chart and a proposed organizational chart (handed out at the meeting). These documents show that:
- Ross Sloat, interim CFO, is retiring
- Stephen Ohlhaut, assistant CFO, will become CFO
- Konnie Laws, HR benefits specialist, is transitioning to part time
- Tim Slauter and Bob Troyer, construction and special project managers, are leaving
- The vacant position of curriculum assistant will be converted into an assistant superintendent position
- A new part-time position of communications coordinator is being created
Greiner said that these changes will save our school district $65,000. He also said that the schools will potentially save even more because the new assistant superintendent can take on many of the research tasks that were previously being sent to legal counsel. Yin said that the assistant superintendent search committee would consist of 2 to 3 board members along with teachers and administrators and that she would like to volunteer to serve on the committee. She gave her qualifications saying that her job as an education researcher shares many of the characteristics listed in the job description for the new assistant superintendent position. Yin said that she would be able to provide good insights in the search. Witt responded that she had already told Yin by email that only the board officers would be on the search committee. Yin asked if school board policy requires only board officers to serve on the search committee. Witt responded that the policy is that the board president decides who will serve on committees. Springer noted that the school board had intentionally not hired a curriculum assistant previously, choosing instead to hire more administrators at each of the schools. I’m always wary when someone claims that it will save money to hire an additional administrator. However, in this case Greiner’s claim could be true. Reiling charges the school corporation $290/hour and it sounds as though the school board and prior administrators had been assigning Reiling to do education research that does not require legal expertise. The community reaction to learning that Reiling’s firm is billing the schools over $300,000/year, triggered this review of legal services. We will see if this is a genuine review or just political theater. Yin seemed frustrated to have again been excluded by the board officers. I’m not surprised; she is the only school board member who is not part of their RDP PAC. However, I am disappointed with the new school board president for excluding Yin from any assignment where she could bring some needed change.
Voted 7 out of 7
6:52 – Greiner recommended that the board appoint Stephen Ohlhaut as WLCSC Chief Financial Officer beginning April 1, 2022. He has been serving as the assistant CFO since 2020 and has been receiving financial training and working towards certification. He is also working on a certificate in finance from Ball State. Greiner and Karpick both commented that Ohlhaut is a highly respected teacher and praised him for his dedicated service as an educator. Yin thanked him for his patience and responsiveness to her questions. She also commented that Ohlhaut doesn’t treat her like a troublemaker. She thanked him for putting together an accounts payable codebook in response to her suggestion last month. Yin said that she and others have found it helpful in understanding the accounts payable report. It has been difficult to watch the way that Yin has been treated by the other school board members and it is sad that they treat her like a troublemaker. While she has been excluded from meaningful board assignments, it is Yin who asks the questions that bring important issues to the public’s attention.
There is no question that Ohlhaut is a fabulous teacher, well-respected, and has quickly learned how to manage school finances. I’m happy that he is one of our school administrators and I consider him trustworthy. However, I’m still extremely disappointed that the school board refuses to hire a professional accountant. Selecting a teacher to serve as CFO is not a normal nor a wise practice. Our school corporation recently made some poor financial decisions and there are still a lot of unanswered questions about the construction spending and associated borrowing. In a series of town halls in 2015 and 2016, school leaders presented plans for $50 million in construction, but then the school board borrowed nearly twice that amount. They sold the land the schools are built on to a building corporation with a lease agreement as a legal loophole to get around state debt limits and borrowed much more than they would have otherwise been able to, all without telling the public. In a ranking of every school district in Indiana, WLCSC comes in second place in the state for most debt per student. While making plans for the construction and borrowing in 2015, the school corporation hired Tim Clary, an experienced CPA with a degree in accounting, to the position of CFO. However, Clary resigned after just 6 months and was later hired as the Controller for the City of Lafayette. Clary had signed a non-disclosure agreement preventing him from speaking about our school corporation’s finances. Rather than hire an accountant who might question school financial decisions, the school board appointed Ross Sloat, a retired superintendent from Benton Community Schools, as interim CFO. Why is our school board so opposed to having a CPA involved in our school’s finances? It’s a red flag.
Voted 7 out of 7
6:56 – Greiner said that he received a recommendation from the school board to issue a request for proposals for legal services. He outlined the steps needed to complete this process which could result in a new legal counsel for the schools and should take about 60 days. Only the school board officers will be allowed to review the proposals with the superintendent. The other school board members are being excluded. The school board did not share their findings from their review of the services provided by Reiling’s firm, but their decision to issue an RFP may indicate that they were not pleased with what they found. I’m not pleased that only the school board officers are allowed to review the proposals and make recommendations. Especially when Reiling’s firm helped fund two of the three board officer’s election campaigns.
Voted 7 out of 7
6:59 – Ohlhaut described a report the business office produced describing teacher and staff turnover from 2017 to 2021. This report had not yet been shared with the board but Ohlhaut said it would later be included in the board packet (it’s not posted online yet). He said that he called the neighboring school districts, TSC and LSC, to ask for their turnover rates. TSC estimated that their teacher turnover rate is 8 to 10% annually. LSC did not share. I put together a chart of what Ohlhaut said as he described the report:
|Year||Certified Staff Turnover Rate||Certified Staff Turnover Ranking by Building (most turnover to least)|
|2017||12.1%||(1) Jr/Sr HS (2) WLES (3) WLIS|
|2018||10.5%||(1) Jr/Sr HS (2) WLES (3) WLIS|
|2019||9.7%||(1) Jr/Sr HS (2) WLES (3) WLIS|
|2020||6.3%||(1) WLIS (2) Jr/Sr HS (3) WLES|
|2021||8.1%||(1) Jr/Sr HS (2) WLES (3) WLIS|
Ohlhaut reported that the average certified staff turnover from 2017 to 2021 was 9.3%. Teacher turnover rates declined across the country in 2020 and we see that same pattern very clearly in the numbers Ohlhaut reported for our district. These turnover numbers do not seem directly comparable to those reported by the school corporation for 2015 to 2020, perhaps because the prior numbers were given by school year rather than by calendar year? In the prior report, the peak teacher turnover was in the 2018-2019 school year when 14 percent of teachers left. I wrote about how the school board’s decision that year to fire first-year teachers at WLES and WLIS left teachers frustrated and caused some teachers to leave. I noted in my post (back in 2020) that 50 of our teachers (1/3rd of the total) had left in just the past two and half years, but this observation was met with denials by school leaders rather than the call to action that I wanted it to inspire. I still think that as one of the best school districts in the state we should have a better than average teacher turnover rate. A decade ago, many teachers in neighboring districts would apply year after year to each of our openings, repeatedly trying to get hired. That hasn’t been happening the past 5 years. Our school leaders need to make changes to provide for a better work environment and increase teacher satisfaction. High teacher turnover numbers are an indication that there are problems that need to be addressed.
Ohlhaut then discussed non-certified staff and said that he is reporting the turnover rate for full-time, year round, non-certified employees for 2021 only. For maintenance and custodial, turnover was 22.2%; for clinical staff it was 37.8%. None of the school nurses left in 2021. Two of four technology employees left in 2021. TSC said their annual non-certified turnover rate is around 20% annually and LSC said they don’t track it. Ohlhaut said that going forward he would like to collect more information for positions like paraprofessionals, food service workers, and lunchroom supervisors. He also said that going forward, department heads and principals will give exit surveys when employees leave. They will use this information to gather feedback to assist in retaining great employees and improve working conditions. Karpick said that the national turnover rate in education is 16 to 17 percent and said that it is not an easy time for teachers and yet our district is doing very well. Yin asked how the exit surveys would work. Ohlhaut responded that supervisors would give employees who are leaving the school corporation a survey to fill out and the survey would then go to the business office to be compiled into a report for the board. Witt asked how often Ohlhaut would report on this. Ohlhaut suggested reporting every 6 months. Yin asked if the school district could celebrate staff who have worked 5, 10, 15, 20 years as a way to encourage retention. Springer responded that this was done in the past with a celebratory dinner but that they stopped when the school corporation got into financial problems. Yin asked if we could do fundraising for this. Witt said she did not want to speak for Greiner but then said that Greiner will comprehensively review what his celebration of his staff will look like and that he welcomes ideas like this one. Greiner then spoke for himself and said that he appreciated Yin’s suggestion and would talk about it with her at the board retreat this summer. I’m pleased that Greiner and Ohlhaut are doing something about this issue. I’ve been asking school leaders since 2019 to do employee exit surveys and was always told that teachers and staff are happy here and that there is no need to look into it. Teachers asked the prior superintendent for a workplace climate audit and were told no. Greiner clearly has a lot on his plate right now and I’m thrilled that he is making some needed changes, but a workplace climate audit should be a priority.
7:09 – Greiner asked for approval to revise several school policies (posted to the school website two days after the meeting). He listed the policy numbers and briefly described each change: policy 0143 would be adjusted to allow public records to be shared without requiring a board vote; policies 1220, 3120, 4120, 4430, and 5517 would be changed to make them consistent with each other in terms of anti-nepotism and anti-harassment practices; policy 2266 addresses non-discrimination on the basis of sex and the definition of rape in this policy is being revised; policies 5111 and 6250 are being revised to require a lease or mortgage statement as well as utility bill as proof of residency for the ADM count. Schott said he is new to the policy committee and wanted to thank the other committee members: board member Karen Springer, school district administrative assistant Roberta Julian, and former school board member Doug Masson. Yin said that the revision to policy 0143 allows the school packet to be voluntarily released, but doesn’t say when it will be released. Springer said that the timing of the release of the board packet should be left to administrators and that it doesn’t need to be a policy. Greiner responded by saying that the school board policy prevented him from releasing public documents and that this revision would now allow him to do so. He said he plans to post the board packet within 7 to 10 days after a board meeting. It has been pretty common the past few years for the school board to vote to approve a change to a policy “as given in the board packet” without ever saying in a public meeting what policy is being changed or what the change is. So, I think it is a good step forward for Greiner to have shared which policies are being changed. However, proposed policy changes should be posted on the school website in advance of the public meeting and the school board should invite public comments before voting. I attended the March 5th Saturday feedback session where I learned that school boards are required to have two readings of any new policies being proposed. The parents in attendance suggested that the school board should do two readings for policy revisions as well so parents can provide input on the proposed revisions in the month between meetings. I think this is a great idea. At the feedback session, Springer said that policy revisions are usually just making updates to match Indiana code or for fixing typos, but this is a pretty weak defense for having kept nearly every policy change secret during her time on the board.
The revision to policy 0143 is a huge win! I wrote a description of my efforts to increase public access to public records which were recently covered by the Purdue Exponent and by Dave Bangert, so I’ll just give the short version here: Each month I have submitted a request for access to public documents and then post the documents I receive to the documents page of my website. Seeing all these documents posted on my website, the school board started posting the same documents to the school website. Encouraged by this partial increase in transparency, I requested the complete school board packet in December 2021 and was denied so I filed a complaint with the Indiana Public Access Counselor. The ruling in Mumford v. West Lafayette Community School Corp. was a wake up call for the school board because it says, “to deny a request for a board packet from a public meeting in its entirety runs contrary to any reasonable interpretation of the access laws.” My subsequent request for the board packet in February 2022 was fulfilled and I posted it. That the school board is now revising Policy 0143 and plans to post the board packet after the meeting is a good step forward, but it isn’t enough. The public should have access to the packet before the school board meeting and board members should seek public input before voting.
One last point, in January 2021, I spoke at the school board meeting and asked to serve on the policy committee. Springer refused my offer saying that they do not allow community members to serve on the policy committee. I responded that Doug Masson hasn’t been a school board member since 2016 and is still serving on the policy committee. For background, Masson was appointed to the board to fill a vacancy and served for a little over a year. He was defeated in his school board runs in 2016 and 2020. He was serving on the board in 2015 when the school board changed meetings to be on the same day and at the same time as city council meetings, he was on the board when they made the construction and borrowing plans that have saddled us with this large debt, and he was involved in revising policy 0143 to prevent public access to board packet materials. I’m pleased that the board is now undoing that policy change and beginning to return to more transparent practices but we need more sunlight in the way the school board changes school policies.
Voted 7 out of 7
7:17 – Greiner shared the first reading of a new school board policy 4425 about nursing mothers which will allow non-certified staff unpaid breaks. He said that the second reading and vote would take place at the next school board meeting. Yin said that she thinks this is a very thoughtful policy and she asked if it is state law or other factors that generally triggers new or revised policies. Greiner responded that when Indiana code changes then the policy committee recommends policies that need to be revised. Springer explained that there are many law changes each year that affect the school corporation and that there are various ways to adjust policies to be in compliance. Springer said that the policy committee chooses the best option for our schools. Witt said that this new policy is being adopted to comply with a federal law. It is interesting that they call these “readings” when no one publicly reads the proposed policy at the meeting, they don’t provide copies to those in attendance, and they don’t have the policies posted to the school website (it posted to the website two days after the meeting). The announced plan to post the school board packet after the public meeting works well if there is going to be a “second reading” and vote at the next meeting, but this approach does not work if they only have one “reading” and then an immediate vote.
7:22 – Greiner shared an update on Covid-19 and revisions to the school’s federally-mandated Return to In-Person Learning plan. This change to the plan makes masks optional in our schools. To receive ESSER funding, the school has to keep the plan up to date. This agenda item was listed as information only but Greiner insisted that the board vote to approve the change to make masks optional, so the board voted to approve the change. Whatever your views on masks, the process used to change this policy was flawed. I was surprised to learn that the superintendent could change the mask mandate without a school board vote. In December 2020, the school board added policy 8450.01 which gives the superintendent this authority. I was not aware of this policy because the school board did not disclose which policies were being created or revised (7:00) at the December 2020 meeting. I asked for more details after the meeting and was told only that policy 8450.01 was new and that it had to do with masks. With my current understanding, I am not clear why this new policy did not require two “readings” and the minutes (posted a month later) just said that the first reading was waived. The way our school board creates and revises policies in secret is an embarrassment. Abdicating their responsibility to seek public input and then vote on a major policy change, like the pandemic mask policy, is disappointing.
Voted 7 out of 7
7:24 – Ohlhaut asked for approval for a school bus purchase. They had tabled it the previous month to make revisions (going from 2 down to 1 bus). IC/Collins had the lowest bid at $153,202. This is more than the budgeted amount of $144,130 as given in the school bus replacement plan. Ohlhaut said the increase in cost is due to both general inflation and because they added air conditioning to the bus and this option was not included in the original plan. Springer asked if we have other buses from this company and if they have served us well. Ohlhaut said we do and that the buses have held up well. He also noted that we contract with TSC to service our buses.
Votes 7 out of 7
7:27 – Ohlhaut asked for approval for a 6-month extension of a contract with Office Pride, a custodial service company. Our contract with this company began at the beginning of the school year and he said that the schools have been happy with them. Office Pride provides 3 custodians at a time and bills WLCSC each month. The cost is $4,400 per month per custodian. Ohlhaut said that this service is needed because of difficulty in hiring. He said that the school corporation does have custodial positions posted and is trying to hire.
Voted 7 out of 7
7:29 – Ohlhaut asked for approval of a contract for document destruction and medical waste disposal services. The previous provider is not available. He collected bids and the best was with Medical Waste Solutions Inc. in Indianapolis. They will come to each building every other month to pick up bulk documents for shredding and twice a year to pick up medical waste at a rate of $69/large container and $41/small container. This contract is for one year.
Voted 7 out of 7
7:31 – Don Pettit, band teacher at Jr/Sr HS, shared a proposal for the marching band program. He said that the school board and school administrators have been very supportive of the band program and noted that nearly all the school board members have had children in the band program. Pettit said that the marching band needs to have a permanent home. They were using the Burtsfield gym and parking lot when he began teaching at the Jr/Sr HS in 2012. When WLIS was built, they moved to the blacktop at WLES and then later moved to the parking lot and grass at Happy Hollow. He would like the school board to designate a permanent space with parking, lighting, restrooms, and a tower. He suggested using some of the space to the east of Happy Hollow as the permanent location and said that he would like to start fundraising to build the facilities they need. Austin asked if the band could use the football field at the Jr/Sr High School instead. Pettit responded that the junior high football team plays on that field and practicing there would damage the field. We have amazing band, orchestra, and choir programs in our school district. The amount of time that these teachers give to our students to provide music education is phenomenal and so appreciated!
7:41 – Greiner asked for approval to make revisions to the WLIS student handbook. Yin asked if the revisions that are listed in their packet will be shared with parents. Greiner said yes and she said that would be helpful for parents to know what was changed. Witt said that the handbook is shared at the beginning of each year and asked Margaret Psarros to confirm. Yin clarified that she was just asking about the revision and that Greiner had already said that the revisions would be shared. Witt did not concede the point and said that she recommends that all parents read the entire student handbook with their students every year as a best practice. Marley commented about a rule in the handbook telling parents to not use cell phones while in the drop off/pick up lane and wondered if they needed support with this. Psarros responded that it is hard to enforce, but that it is a safety issue. They do have supervisors there to remind parents. Yin again emphasized the need to share the handbook changes with parents and noted that while hoods were recently allowed at the high school, the revised WLIS handbook now states that students cannot wear hoods. The school board does have a history of passing revisions to the student handbooks without sharing them with the community and then expecting parents to read the entire handbook each year to figure out for themselves what changes were made. I appreciated Yin’s suggestion and Greiner’s decision to share a marked up document showing what was changed.
Voted 7 out of 7
7:48 – Greiner asked for approval for overnight field trips for the Boys Swim Team and the Robotics Team. This is an interesting practice as field trips are often approved after they have taken place.
Voted 7 out of 7
7:49 – Greiner asked for approval for the personnel report.
Voted 7 out of 7
7:50 – Ohlhaut asked for approval for the accounts payable report. He said that he added a page at the end of the report as a key explaining the most common vendors. Yin said she appreciated the detailed codebook that Ohlhaut created and that Greiner said it could be shared with the public. The accounts payable report is posted, but the key/codebook was not included.
Voted 7 out of 7
7:52 – Board Reports
- West Lafayette School Education Foundation – Karpick shared that they will be having the Wall of Pride celebration on April 7 & 8. Schott shared the Scarlet and Gray dinner will be March 26. They are going to have silos of support for endowments for areas like athletics, arts, STEM, student wellness. Teacher grants are due March 11th. This fall there will be reunions for the class of 1972, 1962, and 1957.
- Redevelopment – Marley shared that the lane going south on Salisbury at the corner of Cumberland is 1 ½ feet too narrow which makes it impossible to get a bus around the corner. The curb will be moved this summer with no cost to taxpayers.
- Park Board – Springer reported the city purchased 14.8 acres of land next to the Cason Family Park. The Wellness Center now offers a discount for Indiana school employees. It will also have Easter egg hunts on Saturday, April 9 from 10am-2pm with different age hunts.
- Teacher Discussion – Springer shared that the teacher discussion group discussed appreciation for Covid sick days approved last month, formation of the dual platform instruction committee, and the new Covid guidelines.
- Public Foundation – Austin shared about the cupcake bakeoff that was held on February 16th
- Legislative – Austin said that the controversial Indiana HB 1134 is dead and mentioned that everyone should keep an eye on HB 1363. She then said that Vice President Harris announced that $17 million in grants will be available to convert the nation’s school bus fleet to electric and she suggested that administrators should follow this.
- Community Council – Austin said she is researching how the community council worked before the pandemic and sharing what she learns with Greiner with an intent to relaunch in the fall. Yin suggested including teachers who are not union members on this council in addition to union leaders. Austin said that teachers were not involved previously but it is up for discussion who will be involved. She clarified that participation on the community council will be up to the superintendent.
8:01 – Witt announced that the next First Saturday Feedback will be April 2, 2022 at 9am at Fresh Thyme Community Room. The community would appreciate hearing about these sessions and I am disappointed that the school board members in attendance do not share about the prior session during the board reports. I attended the March Feedback Session and really enjoyed it. Springer, Schott, Marley, and Greiner were there to answer questions. It was a great discussion with parents. In addition to discussing school policies, we also discussed the Jr/Sr HS schedule and summer school classes. The new schedule was also discussed at the Jr/Sr HS parent council meeting on Wednesday, March 2nd. Both Shriner and Greiner said that they are collecting input on the new schedule but both argued that parent input is not needed as it is an operational issue. I strongly disagree. Parents are directly impacted by changing the school day schedule, particularly the morning start time and the shortened and closed lunch. School administrators are pushing for their preferred schedule without inviting feedback from parents and students. If the school board continues to only listen to administrators, where do parents and students have a voice? Shriner said he is collecting feedback from teachers that he will share at the April school board meeting and said that he will also discuss the schedule with the student council. Several parents pointed out that talking with the student council is not the same thing as getting feedback from students, but Shriner said he would only talk to the student council. I have not heard much positive feedback about the new Jr/Sr HS schedule. Most importantly, I think the shortened lunch has increased students’ stress and anxiety. I hope the school board will seek parent and student feedback on the Jr/Sr HS schedule. To read more about the feedback sessions, Angie Janes provides great notes after each session.
8:02 – The meeting was adjourned.
Location: Happy Hollow Building, LGI Room
Streaming: WLCSC Regular Board Meeting March 7, 2022
Attendance: 7 of 7 School Board Members (Yue Yin, Alan Karpick, Karen Springer, Bradley Marley, Thomas Schott, Rachel Witt, Amy Austin); Shawn Greiner, Superintendent; Stephen Ohlhaut, Assistant to the CFO
Audience: 3 administrators, 1 union leader, 1 high school teacher, 5 parents
Future Meetings (calendar link)
- Saturday Feedback Session – Saturday, April 2nd at 9am at Fresh Thyme Community Room
- Regular School Board Meeting – Monday, April 4th at 6:30pm at Happy Hollow LGI Room
These are not the official minutes from the school board meetings. I am a parent of WLCSC students and my thoughts are given in italics. The official minutes are released after the approval of those minutes at the next school board meeting (1 month from now). Previous agendas, minutes, and audio recordings can be found at the WLCSC website.